FOOLISH it is for there to be any antagonism between NCOs and cadets, or NCOs and lieutenants. Now by chance he.be in a billet at some hq and psperwork comes in front of him about ration counts for personnel and what the job description calls for for a 3m Senior Cook requisition.. for his order.. what its called these days) hell be sble to understand better what the job description says. While CTLT is a useful and important mentorship and developmental activity, many units see CTLT as a drag, and dealing with cadets as a hassle. Staff Sergeant Noah D. Taylor of Columbus, Ohio, joined the West Point Band in May of 2015. CSM Craven has also earned the German, Chilean, and Australian Parachutist badges and is a member of the Prestigious Sergeant Audie Murphy Club. 319th Civil Engineering Squadron. (Still, there is no need to salute them. This is more or less the Armys summer intern program, where young future officers get hands-on experience as a kind of third lieutenant, under the tutelage of a commissioned officer for three or four weeks. Seems like the worst kind of leader to have. Serving the Rugged Professional", Survivor Outreach Services | Total Army Sponsorship | Safety, Human Resources | Civilian Expeditionary Workforce, U.S. Army Environmental Command | Assistant Secretary of the Army for Installations, Energy & Environment, HOSPITAL - Keller Army Community Hospital, Military Police and Religous Support Personnel, U.S Army MEDDAC- Keller Army Community Hospital, U.S Army DENTAC- West Point Dental Activity, United States Military Academy at West Point, Assistant Secretary of the Army for Installations, Energy & Environment. Sir. She entered the military in March 1999 attending Basic Combat Training and Advanced Individual Training at Fort Jackson, South Carolina where she was awarded the MOS 75B Personnel Administration Specialist which later became 42A Human Resources Specialist. When I was an O-3, I regularly saluted SGM's first depending on who saw whom first and the nature of the encounter. Each job is as important as the rest. Corps of Cadets has been announced and includes a strong group of varsity athletes. It's often hard to find but its often the real truth on a subject especially if it's being spoon fed to you in briefs and media. Mr. Erik D. Mitchell assumed the position of Deputy to the Garrison Commander, USAG West Point (IMCOM Directorate - Training), on December 20, 2020. I think that it would be a huge step in the right direction for the ROTC BNs to send their CDTs to their gaining units with an LOI/MOU pinned to their chest (Im sure ROTC has probably published guidance along those lines, but Ive never seen it) so that those commanders will have some idea what to do with those CDTs when they get there. In this case he/she is regularly assigned, potentially in an E3, E4, E5, or what have you spot. Fort Sill Oklahoma United States Army NCO Academy Challenge Coin . I say this as a retired officer. Staff Sergeant Paul Hadwiger, from Kirksville, Missouri, joined the West Point Band in July of 2018. We were enlisted in the Air Force for a two year enlistment. The cadet qualifies here too because s/he is obviously present for duty, as assigned. I was now an active duty Captain with a right shoulder patch ( a big deal in those days ) and a couple of combat medals on my chest ( not bragging but including because of the story ). After graduating from high school, they both felt called to enlist, and became clerks. Its like my father (retired CW3) taught me; " I don't have to respect you but I HAVE TO RESPECT your rank.". His awards and decorations include the Legion of Merit (1OLC) Bronze Star Medal, the Defense Meritorious Service Medal, Meritorious Service Medal (3 OLC), Army Commendation Medal (4 OLC), Army Achievement Medal (2 OLC), Meritorious Unit Commendation, Good Conduct Medal (8th Award), National Defense Service Medal (2nd Award), Iraqi Campaign Medal, Afghan Campaign Medal with Campaign Star, Inherent Resolve Campaign Medal, Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, Global War on Terrorism Service Medal, Noncommissioned Officers Professional Development Ribbon with numeral 5, Army Service Ribbon, Overseas Service Ribbon, Parachutist Badge, Air Assault Badge, and Drill Sergeant Badge. But usually, you're the one doing most of the work. OK, fine. This article reminded me of something that raised a question for me after I received my commission and that had to do with LTs saluting each other. ). I just wished the device had been turned on when he was messing with the ground strap. Now, based on personal experience, I cannot say I was comfortable at all with the USMA grad who came into Iraq (2004-06). Does the cadet need to be regularly assigned to a Cadet billet? WEST POINT, N.Y. - The chain of command for the U.S. Are we really saying an NCO could not do that? Strangely enough, the Services expect the exact same behavior as "officers and gentlemen" (and of course ladies) from cadets and midshipmen, as they are also subject to Article 133, even lacking a commission, and some are dismissed from the Service every year for violating Article 133. *Back to the story: At first, I let things go and decided someone had to be tough on these kids, but after a while, I couldn't let it roll on. You missed it my good first sergeant so I dutifully call your attention to it. If married his spouse is always addressed a "Lady so and so.". Warrant Officers are formally addressed as "Mister." Seriously get over yourselves West Point you produce officers like any other university and they are no better or worse than anyone else. Command Sergeant Major Glidewell entered the United States Army in July 1981, and completed Basic Training at Fort Jackson, SC. . A rescinding announcement is required if the temporary assumption of command is for an indefinite period. Sergeant Major Schlegel earned his Black Belt in Lean Six Sigma (Process Improvement) in 2016, and is actively involved in building the process improvement community at West Point. And cadets initiate salutes to any commissioned officer. The cadet never will outrank a sergeant first class, master sergeant first sergeant sergeant major etc. Your email address will not be published. It is a chain of command situation. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Im a Senior WO and I can personally attest to the height of arrogance the NCO Corps exercises today. The reason "cadets" are even mention in a gentlemans role is due to long ago medieval social customs. Army command policy is clear the definition of terms. Does the cadet have offiCial orders? I have to say that I got a little bit of vindication when I went back to obtain some records from my old guard unit. Paras 2-9 and 2-10, AR 600-20 further reinforce Scott Faiths important points here. "(3) Senior regularly assigned Army Soldier refers (in order of priority) to officers, WOs, cadets, NCOs, specialists, or privates present for duty unless they are ineligible under paragraphs 2-15 or 2-16." Still though, the cadet might be assigned to the unit based on the Modified Table of Organization and Equipment (MTO) to a non cadet billet. Saluting a cadet completely invalidates the First Salute ceremony when they commission. . And get to know your PBO very well! But short of that, cadets can end up in just about anywhere. He recently earned the Professional in Human Resources Certification through the Human Resources Certification Institute. The two year enlistment term allowed for cadets who had to temporarily halt training because of illness or injury. Sergeant Major MaryKay Messenger is a native of Newburgh, New York, and a well-known soloist throughout the Hudson Valley region, performing classical, Broadway, jazz, and popular music. He previously served as Music Arranger and NCOIC of Sound, Staging, and Lighting at the 113th Army Band "Dragoons" in Fort Knox, Kentucky. I never saluted another LT after that as an LT. In other words, each the SNCO and the cadet would be functioning appropriately. I respect them all but I just wonder what makes them "Elite" as you say? Luckily, my trusty CWO officer witness this kid who likes to give orders about something he knows nothing about and showing his outstanding example of a true and morale officer. During cadet training we were paid at the rate of an E5. Officers, commissioned warrant officers, midshipmen, cadets, candidates are all affordedofficer status. Read the regs CAREFULLY people, when you want to use them to make a point. He is actually correct, SMP cadets serve in ARNG units in the rank of cadet. I am acting PL of my platoon because we dont have a 2LT. I was floored. A (knight) officer is a commissioned officer and formally addressed as "SIR!" After just two years of military service, Poe attained the rank of Sergeant Major for Artillery, the highest enlisted rank open to him. *This post originally appeard The Havok Journal * U.S. Army photo by: Mike Strasser/ USMA Public Affairs Command Sergeant Major Michel R. Fraser was born in Wilmington, North Carolina and raised in Conway, South Carolina. The Army is always evolving but power bitches have always been around, we just don't frag them as we used to. While in New York, she won second prize in the Alexander and Buono International Flute Competition. I respect ALL Personnel of the US ARMED FORCES and Civilians appointed over me. As a mom of a cadet thank you! Of course, there is another reason to treat West Point and ROTC cadets with respect: they are not going to be cadets forever. It is not just West Point cadets who outrank NCO's. Just try it. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Thanks for subscribing! They assume command until relieved by proper authority except as provided in 2-8c. Your submission has been received. That same reg AR 600-20, Command Policy specifically states they will be addressed as "Mr./Mrs./Miss/Ms./Cadet" not Sir or Mam. As that was a long time ago, my memories of the experience were that it was the best and the worst of both worlds. And yet, the UCMJ does hold all commissioned officers, including CW2-CW5, accountable for their behavior, as they are subject to Article 133, Conduct Unbecoming and Officer and Gentlemen. Born in Heidelberg, West Germany, of African American and Hispanic parents in a U.S. military family, she graduated from Oxon Hill High School in Maryland, where she ranked among the top-10 students in her class. I think not. Be safe out there, use the "recon by fire" method if probing a road and drop to the ground when a frag is near you, the explosion goes up and away. Share on Twitter; Share on Facebook; . Some points I wanted to make sure I hit are: -No, you don't have to call them sir/ma'am or salute them, but you absolutely should show them the respect you would like to receive. Almost, like her husband, an officer and a lady. In the military, XO refers to a second-in-command officer, or more generally, an executive officer.The XO typically reports to the commanding officer, who also goes by the names the first lieutenant and the number one. Naval Facilities Command Expeditionary Warfare Center, n Region Security Engineer Naples, Italy No commission? (2) If the commander of a headquarters and headquarters element dies, becomes disabled, retires, is reassigned, or is temporarily absent, the senior regularly assigned Army Soldier of the particular headquarters and headquarters element who performs duties within the element will assume command. I was at Camp Buckner in 1989 as my Bn (2/502d, 101st ABN) was slated to train yearlings. Period. So you are incorrect when you say that Cadets outrank me. As SNCOs think of this as an opportunity to shape the Os of the future. Interestingly, when a graduating cadet received his commission, (there were no females in the cadet corps in those days), his commission was backdated 15 months to the date he entered the cadet program, giving him a lead on promotion to first lieutenant. He previously served in the 282nd Army Band at Fort Jackson as head light designer and percussionist, performing in the Jazz Combo, Rock Band, and Concert Band. Command Sergeant Major: CSM Scott Drewes: The West Point Band (also known as the U.S. Military Academy Band or USMA Band) is the U.S. Army's oldest active band and the oldest unit at the United States Military Academy, traces its roots to the American Revolutionary War. CDT military IDs show geneva convention status 3. It would be a very foolish cadet who started issuing orders to a senior sergeant. We always give you a chance before we let you sink your career all on your own. Anyway. I found myself going toe to toe with these junior NCOs and enlisted, but not to destroy their souls (as the NCO in me wanted to do so badly) but to talk to them and help them understand that if you treat these cadets like crap, it will be returned 10 fold in a year when they commission, hate NCOs, and are their raters. After completion of basic training, he attended Advanced Individual Training at Fort Eustis, VA, where he completed the UH-60 Helicopter Repairman course. Cadet Physical Program requirements still remain a priority April 1, 2020. In 2012, he was awarded a Master of Public Administration from John Jay College in New York, New York, with a concentration in human resources management, and is a member of the Adjutant General Corps Regimental Association. I really liked the story and learned something as well having been a former SMP Cadet before I commissioned. You are absolutely wrong. I have to admit that when he asked what I needed I probably got a little pleasure by responding: a cup of coffee. NCOs are the backbone of the Army and run the Army day to day (as opposed to commanding it). Scott Faithis a veteran of a half-dozen combat deployments and has served in several different Special Operations units over the course of his Army career. I was surprised at the gate when I was saluted by the gate personnel. Maj. Joel Crawford, USAG West Point Command Sergeant Major by West Point Garrison and Community 2012 - 2014: Col. Dane D. Rideout, USAG West Point Commander by West Point Garrison and Community 1 2012 - 2014 . Command Sergeant Major Fraser previous positions and assignments include G1 Sergeant Major, 13th Expeditionary Sustainment Command, Fort Hood, Texas; First Sergeant, Bravo Company and Reception Transition Unit, Fort Benning, Georgia; Senior Human Resources Sergeant, 501st Sustainment Brigade, Camp Carroll, Korea; Senior Human Resources Sergeant, 1st ABCT, Fort Riley, Kansas; Battalion S1 NCOIC, 2-4 FAR, Fort Sill, Oklahoma; Senior Drill Sergeant, B 2-39 INF REGT, Fort Jackson, South Carolina; Brigade S3 Operations Sergeant and Customer Support Branch, 1st PERSCOM, Schwetzingen, Germany; Personnel Administrative Sergeant, 87th CSSB, Fort Stewart, Georgia; Assistant Brigade Personnel Sergeant, Personnel Administrative NCO and Training Room NCO, 1st Brigade, Fort Stewart, Georgia. Staff Sergeant Taylor is an accomplished composer whose works have been internationally published and performed. We're also the one demographic that gives the socialist/communists nightmares because they know they can't take us head on in any manner so they go through the younger people to reach their aims. How would a cadet be regularly assigned? My friend confirmed that Navy Aviation Cadets rated salutes by enlisted personnel, at least they did at that time. In my case I was lucky and had a CO who was ROTC cadre and knew what to do with me. "The purpose of West Point, therefore, is not to act as a glorified drill sergeant but to lay the foundation upon which a career in growth of military knowledge can be based and to accompany it by two indispensable additions; first, such a general education as educated . The U.S. Military Academy at West Point's mission is "to educate, train, and inspire the Corps of Cadets so that each graduate is a commissioned leader of character committed to the values of Duty, Honor, Country and prepared for a career of professional excellence and service to the Nation as an officer in the United States Army." United States Forces Iraq (USF-I), J-7, n Chief, Engineering Plans and Services Yuma, AZ Jesus.. Treat the Cadets with respect. During my time in the regulars, I encountered a couple of West Point Grads who, in my opinion had amused contempt for enlisted personnel below the rank of E5. Actually, cadets do fill positions in the National Guard in the Simultaneous Membership Program and can be assigned to an O-2 slot for a period of years. This gives cadets going into their final years of pre-commissioning training the opportunity to experience life in an active duty unit. They dont commission until CW2 but I guess they dont really count as Officers either. Cadets salute one another and it is initiated according to cadet rank. It's hilarious when reality trumps the entitlement issues of a newly hatched fetus. CSM Craven has a Bachelor of Science in Criminal Justice from Colorado Technical University and a Master of Science in Management from Excelsior College. It would have sent enough juice thru the not yet graduate nor commissioned idiots heart to stop. Staff Sergeant Taylor also served as a trombone player with the 323d Army Band "Fort Sam's Own" at Fort Sam Houston. The West Point Music Research Center is dedicated to understanding and communicating the effects of music through multi-disciplinary research and analysis. Other notable assignments include working within the 2/320th Field Artillery Regiment, 101st Airborne Division, serving as the Artillery Command Sergeant Major, 3rd Infantry Division, Fort Stewart, Georgia, and serving as the Corps G-3 Fires Sergeant Major XVIII Airborne Corps Headquarters at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. On Thursday, January 21, it was reported that the US Army launched an investigation after the unmasking of a supposedly semi-anonymous Twitter account the command sergeant major of West Point Military Academy allegedly used to criticize elected officials and former President Donald Trump. -Mentor these young cadets so that they can grow into the Officers that will leverage all the outstanding traits of the NCO Corps. Superior to a mere cunning, lazy enlisted man. I always say Semper Fi or Airborne when I return salute. The first three months were preflight training at Lackland AFB where we were taught basic military skills such as customs and courtesies, UCMJ, drill, Air Force history, parachute training, confidence course, and firearms training. While it might be fun to haze the new margarine bar (he hasnt even worked his way up to butter bar yet), is that really the impression you want him taking with you when he gets commissioned and reports to his first unit? In addition, CSM Whiteford served two tours at the U.S . Through conversations, we get better LT's coming out of ROTC or NCO's newly converted to O grade.. WEST POINT, NY (Oct. 14, 2016) - The U.S. Army and the U.S . Cadets are still learning and everyone in the unit should help mentor them and show the value of NCOs. Joseph John Quichocho, 1SG E-8 RETIRED US ARMY. Command Sergeant Major Robert T. Craven 26th Command Sergeant Major United States Corps of Cadets, West Point CSM Robert T. Craven hails from Swords, Louisiana and enlisted in the U.S. Army in March 1995. I agree totally with enlisted not saluting a cadet. CSM Robert T. Craven hails from Swords, Louisiana and enlisted in the U.S. Army in March 1995. I was wondering if I would have to make mention of the fact that until they are COMMISSIONED Officers, they will remain nothing more than a glorified E-5 NCO pay scale while in USMA. Podcast He has much humility and respect for all who serve and served so he will appreciate your words. Sergeant Major Jeremy Schlegel, from Hanover Township, Pennsylvania, joined the West Point Band in August of 2008. Scott welcomes story ideas and feedback on his articles, and can be reached athavokjournal@havokmedia.com. ROTC cadets do too. West Point grads are elite and you know it, Ask any enlisted person and they will tell you that westpointers are arrogant and on need of a lot of training. Cadets are not commissioned nor do they possess a warrant. We promise not to send you more than one email a week! Both have an option for Cadets to be apart of a simultaneous membership program. I'm not a regular progression cadet so this is a better look at the situation. I say these factors because while the SNCO is focused on the lugnut and wheel base the Year 3 cadet is looking at the whole of the Humvee and as much of the landscape around it as he can scope out. But having learned this, it made me wonder when this would actually matter in any meaningful way. Great investment. And make it quick Lieutenant. Simple professionalism is another, Respect the service, respect the service member. They receive paygrade of ~E-5 however they hold a higher position. The Cadet wr had wrote all of us NCOs that trained him, some. Private Industry, n Chief Readiness Flight Eielson AFB, AK which makes it pretty clear that West Point cadets do, in fact, outrank Army NCOs. They are legally considered E-5 equivalent, and aren't Branch qualified. Aviation Cadet training was 15 months. I was further saluted by all enlisted personnel I encountered on base. If you're not an Infantry Officer then to us you're an NPC because you lack skills and experience. So yes, a West Point cadet DOES outrank a sergeant. Command Sergeant Major Fraser has a daughter, Talia. It should be. Shiver me timbers he pooped on the deck. (I was going through a few operations connected to wound recovery). It can be a very valuable and rewarding experience if done right and an unfortunate waste of time for the CDT and unit if its not. I was an enlisted man and my rank at the time of my discharge in the late Summer of 1989 was Sergeant E5. Practice ought to comport with policy. A very interesting thread. Prior to joining the band, Master Sergeant Lane served as head audio engineer at Grammy Award-winning Sono Luminus, a record label in Northern Virginia specializing in classical and jazz music. Has the. indicating superior social status. The platoon sergeant major, and his cavalry counterpart, the troop sergeant major, were part of a project giving experienced non-commissioned officers command of units ( platoons and troops) formerly reserved for commissioned officers. Tell the NCO's that you don't want to seem like a dick that you're being so picky on things, you're just building trust so later you know who's good to go and what each of our strengths are and that goes for the young LT as well (that's called humility and the men will understand because it's fair). the leadership essentially passed off their job.. but i ythink it is good these future officers learn from those entrusted to prepare the sustenance.. instead of those that havent actually been in thr kitchen for a couple years. My Drill Sargeant after our last 12 mile road, reminded all of us that until the graduation ceremony and recite the enlistment oath only the will we officially be soldiers. The ones that get emotional about my post will reply as expected and miss the lesson altogether because they've been hard wired to respond that way. Incorrect. Thank you! And if you think islam is a warm and fuzzy religion, you're way off! The cadet does not outrank a senior NCO E7 or above. Sergeant Major Denver Dill is a member of the West Point Band and an instructor of American Politics at the United States Military Academy, West Point, New York. We are all us. I was one of Cohens blue to gold mustangs in the 90s. Serving the Rugged Professional", Survivor Outreach Services | Total Army Sponsorship | Safety, Human Resources | Civilian Expeditionary Workforce, U.S. Army Environmental Command | Assistant Secretary of the Army for Installations, Energy & Environment, HOSPITAL - Keller Army Community Hospital, Military Police and Religous Support Personnel, U.S Army MEDDAC- Keller Army Community Hospital, U.S Army DENTAC- West Point Dental Activity, United States Military Academy at West Point, Assistant Secretary of the Army for Installations, Energy & Environment. And taken that way. They always forgot to take the safety bail/pin out of the RPG fuze and the round would just bounce off our Bradleys, lol. the Armed Forces of the United States (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard), the commissioned corps Even after more than twenty years in uniform, it still surprises me what I dont know about my own profession, and what I still have to learn from my NCOs. 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