NOT THE MORMON! They fool everyone. Thanks for saying this. Accusations of sex abuse tied to Newman and Kanakuk have made headlines recently as two journalists with conservative online news site The Dispatch published a report on March 28 that asserted the Newman scandalwas more widespread and systemic than previously understood. Do you get the feeling that keeping women out of power is WAY more important to these folks than protecting them or children? (my mom came back thinking that was as about as low class and crass as one could getunusual to hear such from her) It is all so much worse today, of course. Because as you know, football scholarships are more important than a teenage girl. Church Discipline And it was perfectly legal. Pete was what a Christian should look like. Kamp Kanakukalsohad anotherpedophile incident which you can read about here: There are some bloggers who keep each other informed about coming stories. I know the name of the individual who has given usthis information. There are tares out there. She drove 4 hours to get them. If they came across as perverts, they would not get the trust they do. Some people never have to confront it. This modified form of ignorance is found in people who, if confronted with certain truths realize that they have to accept them and thereby acknowledge evil, and that scares them. The 501(d) has since dissolved. Joe graduated fromSouthern Methodist University, and was an assistant coach atTexas A&M Universitybefore taking the reins of Kanakuk. Its at the point if you dont want your kid molested/raped, you have to become a Done. They, as the men and leaders of the church, own the women and children to do with what they want. Huh? Thats a verse Joel Olsteen uses repeatedly! You know what? Christians many times do not guard against this and even cover it up! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-anderson/400-haircut-vs-bushs-suit_b_46622.html. All Very Righteous and Respectable and Christian(TM). Stop paying lawyers and expert witnesses. After all they cant sign the membership contract covenant. So this isn't sexual. I talked to Keith.". A civil complaint alleges that there were at least 57 victims, but the prosecutor in his case estimates that the real number could be in the 'hundreds.'" The problem is not that no one is immune (although certainly none of us are perfect). ", Newman's call came in 13 years ago, butHoffpauir said he remembers thatwhen the phone rang, he was in bed watching TV with his wife, Madison. Fixing the mentality behind the protection of evil men? This is so true and could be why ministry was a chosen path as people/kids in churches and para church ministries are easier to fool and come in automatically trusting leaders. I wouldnt say it was Christian themed, either just good clean fun for all ages. These scandals testify to this reality. Quite possibly. Why cant churches have as much sense? But sola scriptura does not include anything but scripture, including not tradition or reason. Newmanwas discoveredto beexhibiting sexually inappropriate behaviorin 1999. Thanks for sharing that. ", "He came in the lunchroom," Dygert said. When groups play down their lack of protecting children and punishing those who harmed them, they are acknowledging their incapacity to care about protecting and defending the most vulnerable of society. But what about when evil has been protected using Jesus for cover? Sorry but no one will truly ever know the impact of abuse on a child until its theirs and the parents live with watching their baby fall apart over it. Since the 1970s, under the leadership of White and his wife Debbie-Jo, Kanakuk has become one of the largest Christian camps in the world. Or alternately, the man is always whats important and the one who should be protected. My daughter did a several hour training module to work for the YMCA. Thats why they have to take over churches instead of planting new ones. Some animals are more equal than others. The camp responded with a prepared statement attributed to "Kanakuk Communications," which the News-Leader is reproducing here in full, noting however that victims and former camp employees have disputed the timeliness of Kanakuk's termination and reporting of Newman. He has no problem taking money from the Church for his own pockets when training them, just not when it comes to getting money for actual victim?? And I just didn't answer. So it kind of depends on what the issue is which type of investigation is required. I just got a tweet that a company makesCamo ice cream. Thats okay, I saw them at the Western Kentucky State Fair 3rd row seat, front and center! He said he refuses to sue the body of Christ but bring the Watchtower on. There can be no excuse, no rationalization, no mitigating factors. When do Highborn ever think about the damage to those Lowborn? The male buddy-system seems to be forged in such a way that tolerance for the presence of an abuser is much greater among these male-headship idolators. Reading through the articles posted at Eagles blog, it sounds like she wanted women Elders and her Gospel Coalition (because of course) pastor was all NOPE. I want to thank the former attendee of this church for revealing the following information. Its not a lonely view. What were they thinking? I think that the active acceptance of the priority of personal moral conscience may be the one thing that has kept Christian orthodoxy clear of cult thinking because it allows the Holy Spirit to BE the Holy Spirit in the life of the Christian person directly. Reading this makes me want to throw up!! There is NO excuse for any of this in Christianland since what happened with my Church was published and exposed some years ago; and it is known that the victims of those priests STILL suffer terribly. The Fanatic Persecutor is Anti in the sense of being in direct opposition to, and comes from the Outside. Women abused by priest Brendan Smyth took own lives, says cleric DArcy We also have this notion that bad people will look bad, kind of like in Disney shows where the good are beautiful and the bad are ugly. He worked there from 1995 until he was fired in2009. A message needs to be sent so that more children are not abused.a. Why is this so *hard* for churches to get right? When I received the phone call in 09 from a mutual friend about what Pete had done, I was in total shock. I read their Bob Jones and ABWE reports. Even without intentions, entropy easily sets in over time and they can drift into serious Cult territory. If I followed what you said, I would have to pack up my signs and sit on my hands 15 miles away instead of warning people (in my quite imperfect way). When did that go by? Not only do Pentecostals speak in tongues, they allow Lady preachers (gasp)! '", He added, "It's given me a voice and has given me strength to keep talking and realizing this was wrong. And we wonder why the Done ranks are swelling? Yet fruit has nothing to do with it? These churches believe they are beyond reproach. You could argue PR would be a reason to keep things quite at fellowship when something bad happened on their watch, but retaining a person on staff who is a child predator and actually has been arrested for that is bad PR! Kanakuk located in Branson, Missouri,hasbeen long known as the premier Christian camp in the UnitedStates and abroad. We heard a few stories of payroll money going missing to buy new cars for the Apostle and his son. And I will say to them, be gone from Me I never knew you, workers of lawlessness. Do they then, trust themselves as enlightened by the Holy Spirit; or do they then lay aside their own encounter with Scriptures and accept what they are told it means by leadership? He just started high school. I wonder how even more will be turned away from the church entirely because of this level of corruption. And dont forget Gods Choice for POTUS Mike Huckabee running interference for Jim-Bob Duggar over Josh Duggars mistakes(TM). . But I dont know that this movement appeals to as many people as they seem to think it will. "He, like, challenged me," Dygert said. The major media companies wont report on these issues. He was also a leader at Fellowship Memphis. Particularly when those who do it depend on the assistance of guides, trackers, and sometimes bait to make their kills. Thanks. They honestly believe the leaders have the answers. To say his affect was hypnotic, would be an understatement. The time I heard it that had THE most impact was on a CD by this one small-press Furry cartoonist from VA who was passing them out at AnthroCon some 15 years ago. Education the parishioners that sometimes your pastor is not your friend, does not care about your children? There is a barbarian aspect to this. Book got to the New York Times bestseller list by being unfairly positioned in sales by Result Source. They live their life in a way to show that they despise Mammon as their example. And so you cannot blame yourself.". Thechurch willlook bad no matter what the molester's or voyeur's job title was. They lied, saying he had only spoken a 3-6 times when he actually had spoken over 30 times including 10 overnight gigs. Who are the expert witnesses who can ascertain the damage done to a groomed and molested 12 year old? How does anyone overlook this? Stan wrote: When we were attending a church that became part of Harvest Bible Chapel our kids went to a weekend youth camp.The leadership requested no cell phones allowed.Since my daughter went along and she was almost 18 we let the younger sibling go also with the stipulation that they were to keep the cell phone for emergencies only(meaning if the younger handfull acted up,we could intervene ) The handfull took the phone out and played games on it and got in trouble with a bunch of other kids.We all got a good smack down in that weeks sermon,even to the point of questioning our Christianity.At that point I knew that I didnt want to be apart of that church. To hold a corporate officer liable, he must have had actual, constructive knowledge of the actionable wrong and participated therein, the document states. Skepticism is another of the deadly sins in the authoritarian church. "We took off," Hoffpauir said, referencing himself and his wife, Madison. I wondered if I had missed something. To the spiritual superheroes that think they know better grow up. Last I heard he converted to Catholism. It happened at a bible camp. Joe White, the president of Kanakuk Ministries near Branson, Missouri, is a larger than life figure in American evangelicalism. Maybe he was just thinking about it as he attended. It probably has to do with disagreeing on experience like the article said. A reporter attempted calls to four phone numbers linked to Staples in public records databases. How can you be a victim advocate and prevention for businesses (churches)? Loritts allegedly responded, It was just some skinny dipping thing.. Law Prof wrote: For one thing they think differently about the world. I had always though they could be identified by their smooth tongue only to find out many have a real gift for listening. I will try. Like Karen Hinckley at Villiage. Of course there are some similarities and some overlap on some issues. The kid had been throwing up the entire afternoon and was left alone in the room. It just gets worse and worse. We only hear about the ones who slipped up and got caught. But I can easily see how stuff could happen and I guess stuff could have been going on I didnt see. ", The lawsuit adds, "During each of these activities Defendant Newman falsely represented to the young Plaintiff that these behaviors were okay or normal and were not 'sinful'. Fundamentalism has a very different feel compared to evangelicalism. At this point, and as long as there is the eucharistic Body of Christ present one is expected to remember that one is in the sacramental presence of God and behave accordingly. Unless it is politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing, the right people will not do the right thing either, or it they try, they will shortly be out of office.. Survivors and ex-employees say the camp didn't do enough. It has no bearing on the mans crime and guilt!! I just dont know how to fix that except to reject it utterly and leave that type of church. The report states that Kanakuk did not limit Newmans access to boys. http://www.nakedpastor.com/ In fact, there is now so much info online to educate churches about sexual abuse that ministries have no excuse for being ignorant. Thats why I see it as a problem of the heart. I pray frequently for Petes victims healing, and that Pete remains in jail while here on earth. @ dee: How do I go about investigating a camp? And this rule, coupled with some others seemed to send a message they wanted to isolate the kids. That is how the name con artist was coined.. confidence trick or confidence artist. They are really parsing words instead warning the parents and students? @ ishy: It probably wont happen here. The YMCA pays for the service they receive but there is not the problem of the Christian brotherhood. Pete Newman's Apology. @ okrapod: And then the dominoes started to fall. I cant even begin to imagine. Gradually, they connected with others who identify as survivors. And they might not be able to really process everything until well into adult years. If moral conscience is dismissed as reliable; that strengthened the authority of leadership. The BransonTri-Lake News had this to say. If not, maybe it ought to be removed. The Slick Deceiver is Anti in the sense of being an imitation of, and works from the Inside. Nope, we are tithing units and the enemy. The only caveat was that part of the reason you make sure you are giving the right kid to the right person has to do with things like custody disputes where the father (or mother) who doesnt have custody will kidnap the child. Peter Newman: Long time abuser/molester of campers at Kamp Kanakuk. Church builders were contracted to build GWs Crawford ranch house. Even though our old church considered the NIV the devils work, I like the way its translators put it: But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for Gods holy people. And Im sure there are many people outside the House of Driscoll who think Im defiling their holy temple just by standing on the sidewalk as a (very imperfect) warning about whats within. I dont know. Here is how he is listed in Wikipedia. .more. Also,there seems to be an established Christian promotional/marketing thing that that pushes all these groups and ideas, so if one had a contrary message, not sure how they would get it heard. Just called camp kanuk the secretary stated it was 10 years ago and seemed to downplay the fact that it was 10 years ago. And that is not one guilty person. I think there is definitely an old boy network with the pastors. that children, in their lives, will come in to contact with sex offenders (including those whove never been arrested, prosecuted, and convicted). But as I moved to Texas in my 20s, I havent been there since. Kanakuk consistently has portrayed Newman as a lone predator, but other child abusers have been associated with the camp . Never mind that the secular culture does a better job at addressing abuse issues. Newman, Hoffpauir said, performed the ceremony. Thanks again for your kind words. -Newman had sexual relations with boys in Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Tennessee. They used to file as a 501(d) as a religious community. The use of the word sin in terms of this pedophile doesnt go far enough. In an expos published by The Dispatch, David and Nancy French detailed how Kanakuk Kamp in Branson, Missouri, handled reports of abuse committed by Pete Newman, a former camp counselor who rose in the ranks to become the camp's director and used his position to groom boys. Loritts allegedly responded It was just some skinny dipping thing.. So this is hitting close to home. "Your voice gave me a voice," Hoffpauir said he told journalist Nancy French after reports on Kanakuk by Frenchand her husband, David French, were first published last year by The Dispatch, a conservative-leaning news website. I wonder if that man you referred to ever found peace. They lost over seventy missionaries at that time. As I would discover, he was only interested in boys and only my daughters spent time at the camp. We must fight the good fight. That bears repeating along with a warning that everyone is susceptible to being conned, especially the people who think it can never happen to them. and a follow up check up the day after. I might assume that there is reliance on the Holy Spirit at least in the reading and studying of the sacred Scriptures, He works to protect churches. Kanakuk leaders also have described convicted child molester Pete Newman as a lone predator but he wasn't the first or last abuser connected to the camp. This camp, and its leaders, are clearly not following basic Christain principles, and we need to shout this from the highest mountaintop. The people have a right to know. I dont know how the congregation as a whole felt. Please do not make the mistake of assuming that either all Christian pastors are good or that they all are evil. They take responsibility when they screw up. @wartwatch @ThouArtTheMan Would be interesting to see the pay-per-view history from the NAMB guys staying in those rooms. 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